households. >> i would divide it, chris, between northern virginia which as i said is part of metropolitan washington at this point. from richmond north, it's a mixed swing state. and rural southern virginia which is where i think it's fair to say the split by gender is still much more. >> if you look at the numbers of, say, black men and women. black women, 95 to 5 for mcauliffe over cuccinelli. >> obviously if you're a minority in this country we know you have other issues besides gender driving your vote. >> exactly. but after the last election, the gop did an internal autopsy and said, listen, we can't win national elections. and this kind of looks like a national election. if we keep losing all latinos, all african-americans. >> that's the point i made a minute ago. >> we can't close the gap. >> the point i'm making here is white men are not a leading indicator of anything.