don't want to start ft. sumter and the guns firing, but there's an aspect of civil war, a return of the confederacy in this. these conservative people seem to think that they're representing their states by basically sabotaging this program which is, in fact, part of the law. >> exactly. it's all ideologically driven by the tea party republicans who don't believe that the federal government should help you get health insurance. either they shouldn't provide it you should medicaid or shouldn't subsidize it under the affordable care act. it's just their ideology. speaking of states that don't take medicaid, you're talking about people that can't get insurance, no way of getting insurance and to keep them out of this so they don't get coverage is a tragedy. it is. why does the ideology have to stand in the way. >> in addition to that, chris, i would just say that those governors that are rejecting federal funds, federal dollars come from their citizens too.