our country? >> no. >> does he know -- >> there are a lot of people that believe ted cruzzing brought this to the forefront. and our country is a big, resilient country. there are democrats and liberals that have done worse things to our country and managed to survive. so we'll survive like a shutdown. >> i don't think we can afford another one and we can't afford another government by crisis. everyone says it can't happen again. i want to know how it doesn't given -- >> better not. >> it's not the end of the world as we know it. it could be the end of the republican party's chances in '14 and '16. that's the thing. they are hurting themselves. i remember talking to one of my college professors and i was a huge ronald reagan fan and i made the mistake what do you think about reagan because

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