>> i would also add to all of the things that rebecca just said, it's also the ripple effect of the case, right, so that the mother lost her job, that the house that was on sale was burned down. so, one of the things that we do know -- >> it burned. we don't know if it burned down. >> burned, right. >> under mysterious circumstances. >> that may or may not be connected to the case. and her attempted suicide, that's part of my argument here. one of the things we do know is that violence against girls and women begets more violence, so that it's also unusual in the sense of how much violence we see used against the mother, the daughter, the brother, the kind of emotional and maybe physical terror that they're experiencing. >> and also, i think, the way which is similar to the steubenville case, the way in which it seems like there are a significant portion of the community that has taken a position that from the outside seems just completely morally abominable, right, which is the defense of these alleged assailants and not the survivors. >> you know, one has to wonder