come back and senate majority leader harry reid says they will reject this latest gambit by the house to set up a conference committee and that sets the stage for the house republicans to argue that, hey, we actually want to be talking more about this and it's the senate that's rejecting our attempts to negotiate. but from the democrats and the senate's perspective that's a no w -win situation. so from what we can see we're in for more no brinksmanship. >> as that deadline loomed it was a strategy but a bad one, right? >> kwai, it seemed like there was definitely going to be a shutdown and no two ways about it and now they have to come out of this somehow no longer last, the worst it is for my party. >> any idea how long it will last? they were talking maybe four days. >> four days to a week but if it lasts longer than that we have