1999-2000, carries the bags, carries the cigar case, carries the cokes, diet cokes, and then after president clinton leaves the white house, he stays with clinton. he headed off for goldman sachs, he could have taken a regular, successful business route. he stays with president clinton, stays in that role of assistant, travels all around the world with him, just hundreds of cities, dozens of countries, on the private jets for all these years and becomes basically the main guy. >> yeah. if you want to get bill clinton to come to your event or get him, you go through doug band, basically. >> exactly. >> so, what's the problem here? scandal is in the headline of your piece. like, to justify the use of that word to me. >> well, the use of scandal was a bit of a headline writer's irony, but no, but there is a problem, and the problem is that there's been increasing overlap, really, between both for doug band and for sort of bill clinton and clinton land as a whole, overlap between the great public good that they've been doing, including doug band.