on something that clearly will help so many people. >> well, the reason they're this desperate is because the worst nightmare for people like the koch brothers would be for younger people to sign up for the affordable care act, get health coverage, and like having health coverage. meaning they get sick, go to a doctor. because that is armageddon for them. because then those people are going to like the law in their 40s and 50s and 60s and you'll have a generation of younger people who will be out of reach to the right wing that want to take us back to the 19th century. just like people that like medicare, they will like having their obama care insurance and it will be impossible to take it away from them. >> i think that's the point. i just had a congressman on that was debating me. they are afford that once this starts going into effect, i believe this is their fear, and the benefits of there, even those that they have misled and fooled would start saying what's wrong with this, this is good.