same womb of love that nurtured us. >> so you went to princeton. >> right. >> eventually after falling down, picked yourself -- your brother went to prison. what made the choices different, do you think? >> well, he's equally as bright, but opportunities prevail. first of all, the light versus dark thing. we ain't got time to deconstruct that. but secondly, what happened is that he fell on some hard times and as a result of the difficulties he endured, he made some self-destructive choices that he would acknowledge now. i had jesus, jobs and justice. i had the transformative experience of a god who placed in my life people who helped me out. you could say it was a coincidence but einstein said coincidence is god's way of remaining anonymous. those people helped me transform. secondly, i had a job. a program that allowed young people to get a job. what does it mean to get up every day and get a jobbed on go to work? i don't damn young people to have low-slung draws.