we patted ourselves on the back, osama bin laden went back to that. the u.s. decision, taken under clinton with very little thought to keep tens of thousands of u.s. troops in saudi arabia and continuously bomb iraq, then to bomb sudan, to bomb other places, these are not clean interventions. >> but it does -- again, it does get back to the more basic question here of -- we talk about evidence specifically of the chemical weapons. we also have evidence of 100,000 people being killed over the last two years, of unspeakable brutality being prerp traerpetr this regime. >> president clinton has had two years to engage in serious diplomacy. you have a serious foreign minister in iran. you have a serious foreign minister in china. you have serious people there. the obama administration has said time and time again, no, assad has to go. >> heather, let me get to that issue. let's take the -- have we not