treat it the way they are treating it, to elevate it. put this aside and let's not go to the cold war place which i do think this is where this is leaning and let's have a discussion of which snowden will be part of it. he paradoxically lifts the discussion. >> i don't think the discussion over the snowden effect, the discussion over national security, surveillance date at that. the nebulous unending war on terror ends. the questions -- >> absolutely not. >> this is nothing to placate the people who want to see justice done or a broader debate over the issues. >> the administration is better off if the focus is on snowden. his numbers are terrible. >> then we don't pay much attention to the revelations. president putin is a former kgb guy. he's not in love with facts. he said snowden can stay on the territory of russia if he doesn't endanger u.s. interests. there are negotiations right now with other countries to take