next level of of excitement. and that's what keeps them going. it's not that normal that someone would get that emotional excitement. i think the most disconcerting part is it shows a lack of self-control. >> what we were hearing from him and huma today is he was still in the recovery curve, he was still working through all of the issues that put him in this kind of trouble in the first place. it sounded a little bit like yeah, my husband, who went to rehab, had a few drinks. >> well, that's the problem, that if you know that's a problematic behavior for you you stay away from it. because if you get just a taste of it it's a slippery slope where you're just enticed to keep going back for more. and that's what i said, the lack of self-control is the most disconcerting part. >> just got breaking news, as it were, in terms of new york politics anyway, gang. "the new york times" editorial tomorrow morning is going to say