>> no. >> are you saying it's your opinion that the wound to the skin is a contact wound? >> is not a contact. contact would be very, very different. >> so it's your opinion that the wound to the skin is not a contact wound? >> yes. >> and if it had been a contact wound, that would be a pretty easy thing for a medical examiner to see. >> yes. >> there would be tearing of the skin. >> yes, it's very easy. normally i can make decision in first five or three seconds. >> that's kind of a rookie thing, if you will. that's an obvious thing to someone with your background. >> yes, we do that almost every day. >> so what your testimony ultimately is, that there is some distance between the fabric and the skin -- >> no, i did not say between the