other people thought she was not the right case, this was not the right vehicle. why did you know to take it? >> i think there's so much about this case that tells a story about what was so long and i'm so glad to say this, what was so wrong with section three of doma. the idea that someone would have to pay a huge tax simply because they were gay, which is what the estate tax was here, every american understands what it's like to pay a tax. this was a tax on being gay. edye's age, the 44 years of their relationship together. the fact that she nursed thea through ms, by the time they got married, thea could only lift a finger because of the paralysis of the disease. any one of us would be so lucky to have a spouse like edye windsor and all of us understand that. >> strategically, thinking about what the court might have done today, there was a discussion that they could rule against gay rights, if they were going to have a positive pro gay rights ruling, they might do it on equal protection grounds saying