>> as a practitioner of politics and policy passing what you want to do is get a bill passed, as matt said earlier, that means sometimes you won't get a perfect bill, a great bill. but you'll get a good bill and that's going to be good for -- much better for a lot more people than having no bill at all. >> i've said from the beginning of this that it is a strategic error -- now you guys disagree with me -- to make this a comprehensive immigration reform. when you have a situation where there's 10 million people who are law breakers, it's time to think about this as a prohibition problem. there's a way to get at that prohibition problem without throwing the kitchen sink into this. but two generations of reformers see we need it to be comprehensive. the moment it becomes comprehensive is the moment you'll get amendments all over the place, you'll have so many things that yout rage so many people because it gets difficult to mass, gets watered down by the destruction -- >> part of the question is whether it's getting watered down or diluted or to your point christina whether it's just getting crappier. making it crappier is different than making it more watery.