>> i care less about the source of the information than the information itself. snowden can say what he wants. it's important to look at the stuff and the exchange you just showed is really important not because of what keith alexander said, but the way this is supposed to work. if we're going to have secret government, you into ed to have members of congress who are representatives right and left, and every place else being able to know what's going on and be able to affirm to us it's legitimate. if he says dozens, i want leahy to say show me the dozens so he can come out tomorrow or maybe on friday and say listen, i have checked on this. i can tell you this. i'll bring the republicans in. >> that's that we call checks and balances. >> that's what you need. >> that's absolutely right. >> and one problem is over the years, we haven't had that sort of oversight from congress. we haven't had people in the white house who have welcomed that sort of oversight. >> committees on intelligence, do you like dianne feinstein? is she good enough? >> she did a good report on torture 6,000 pages that the cia