unacceptable and let's find out more about it. it's highly unlikely, chuck, that a couple people in cincinna cincinnati, ohio, decided this is going to be the policy of the federal government and maybe even more unlikely that when the irs commissioner knew this a year ago that somehow nobody else knew higher than him in the government. if that's the truth, he should have been fired just for that reason alone. >> you've been around washington a long time. you know the way the agencies can suddenly lock down. and suddenly decide they're going to protect their own entity here because they're fearing any outside influence. >> well, you know, been in washington a long time and the other thing that happens in washington is that what you do when you find out information can get you in a lot more trouble than the information you found out. so, hard to believe that after 25 years at the irs he decided, you know, i'm just going to keep this to myself. equally hard to believe that last month when the white house