is it hold those in leadership accountable. i will read an excerpt from an interview with jonathan mclandry. and they -- he says -- i can tell you that people who normally would meet with me are on pins and needles, landy says, of the reporting climate. he says the crackdown on leaks seems deliberately intended to have a chilling effect. there is that word "chilling" again, but we are talking about the obama administration and someone who came into office with promises of a more transparent administration. >> we are talking about a constitutional lawyer who came in -- who did in the senate and still does support a shield law to protect reporters from prosecution when they received classified information, and yet i think the president has been