>> and joe, let me jump in quickly, talk about isolation, ronald reagan, yes, was isolated, so nancy reagan, reached out to bob strauss during iran contra, the leader of the democratic party, he came in and talked to the president and said you've got to bring in howard baker and clean up this mess. >> see. just how about a pr professional at this point? it's ridiculous. this is the irs and this is a really -- this will hurt you. in a big way, you need to come forward and talk to people about how this is going to be taken care of. >> there's a real competence question. and this goes to it. >> thank you so much for being with us. ron fournier. stick around, up next, former senator olympia snowe has a plan to fix a stalemate in washington. there's so much more for her to fix now. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. mamake a wish!h! i wish w we could lie e here forevever. i wish thihis test dririve was ,