review board, frank keating. welcome to all of you. kind of a setup of a joke, a nice jewish boy moderating a discussion on catholics. when a church needs reform, as this one does, you know back to jesus christ. you felt that very strongly? >> i think one thing that unite all catholics is concern for the poor, and this basic way that jesus led his life. he was a jewish guy. if you can agree on that, the rest is easy. 3,000 years ago, the rest is sort of details. i think we have to go back. not that it should be reformation, but the idea of looking out for the poor and being humble. and loving each other. i mean, it's very basic, very positive and generous. it's not about the old order that jesus went into, which is rules and scribes and sticking by the rules, but the are are se things that could change. we could have women priests, we're not going to have a