let's move forward. who in this country thinks that profitable corporations don't pay enough in taxes? not the voters. >> so they can be the breakthrough to get through this whole resill dance that's been blocking the president from getting all of the things through that he wants to get through, in your opinion? >> i do. and i think also, if you get organizing for action taking these stands, then i think we're going to see a lot more participation and a lot more accountability in the 2014 elections. because if you have written your congressman three times and told him to be voting a different way and he hasn't done it, you're going to show up at the polls and you're going to be voting for change. >> governor, you've been in office. you've been a governor. how does that work? when you have constituents contacting you with this kind of pressure coming, as one that has sat in the seat of power, how effective is that? hue does it work? >> it doesn't always win the day. there are some times, if you