fatigue with all of this budget talk now. >> first, it's a key. people to a large degree have tuned out. the effect won't be felt on march 1st except for those of us who try to generate all kinds of controversy, but it's going to be something that will happen fairly quickly and one of those things where the agency, first of all, start furloughing workers. that will cut pay scales by 20%. >> this sequester came out of the debt ceiling crisis out of 2011. it was pushed back to march from january. it goes on and on. is this how congress is doing business now, they're putting everything off? >> that's the best result that we can expect these days. congress seems to get us in one mess or another. and then they go off on vacation like they have right now which is a regular thing in congress