you heard him take you through the numbers, that is right. if you find out why they have to fall, the discretionary caps, the money spent on programs for women, infants and children, those are already cut to the bone with the caps already in place. it is impossible for simpson-bowles to stick to the idea of protecting vulnerable people when they implement cuts of this magnitude. i say the same thing for the health care side of their cuts. they have taken principles that are i think, quite useful in the first blush and really eviscerated them with the second plan. >> and ezra, are there any murmurings in the white house or up on the hill that indicate where some type of solution might be by next week? by the end of next week? >> no, for the first time in any of these i can remember there really is not anything. there are no negotiations seriously going on that i know of. there is no serious plan that appears to be coming forward. i mean, i think that people expect if this happens i think at the outset, they think it probably will happen. some point, the office of management and budget will be

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