something like that when you go to mass even at the most traditional catholic parishes. i think there's a way the media has given a set of moral issues that are contested in our broad culture and everyone is in a sense licensed to have an opinion on them. >> which as it should be. >> right. >> a lot of licensing for opinions. >> there could be in another age we would be debating different moral issues and the church's position on something else like slavery or usury or something else would become the focus. people would say i hate the poeps th popes they condemn commerce and commercial progress in the united states. that's why for the noncatholic or the catholic that's away from the church they experience the church through the media. here's a sweaty fat priest telling me what to do with my sex life. >> i'm sitting right here.