they use language that is very ill defined and open to broad interpretation. and i think that's why you're seeing so much attention to this issue. >> but it's still a question, katty, as to whether lawmakers want to change the policy. is the debate we're hearing with john brenner and everybody else, are you getting access to the documents? how much oversight is there? and before you respond, let me play john brennan who tried to clear the air about the difficult process. >> i think there's a misimpression on the part of the american people who believe that we take strikes to punish terrorists for past transgressions. nothing could be further from the truth. we only take actions as a last resort to save lives when there's no other alternative to taking an action to mitigate that threat. >> members of congress hate not being informed. but the downside of being informed is you then have some responsibility for the policy that's happening. we are now starting to have a discussion about the drone strikes and the benefits and