universal. it's never going to be universal. the criminals aren't going to comply with it. they could care less. you're not going to computerize -- you've seen you're got stopgap to computerize the mental health records. so we're is what is going to happen. we ought to quit calling it right now universal check. the real title ought to be the check on law-abiding people all over this country. >> al know lapierre fully supported background checks in 1999. >> let's talk what is reasonable and what is not. we think it's reasonable to provide mandatory instant criminal background checks for every sale at every gun show. no loopholes anywhere for anyone. >> the solutions for these tragedies aren't always simple, but it doesn't mean we should be giving up. joining me now is r.t. rybak, mayor of minneapolis. great to have you with us tonight, r.t. i appreciate you coming in on this subject. it's so vitally important. >> i'm thrilled you're covering it, ed. >> you bet.