since before -- but i think the marker is in 1994, the phrase jack booted thugs, remember it was used about the atf. and people like george h.w. bush and george schwarzkopf and others resigned from the nra. and i think that with every horrible act that happened, it's taken too long, but the story of the country in many ways is of coming to a consciousness that is overdue. >> and let's talk, mika, about the financial incentives. >> yeah. >> of the gun trade. they're out there, as well. this is not just about politics, not just about liberty, it's about a lot of money, too. >> yeah. but there's a shift in attitude. as the "new york times" puts in