h.w. bush and norman schwartzcof resigned from the nra. with every horrible act that happens, it's taken too long, but the story of the country in many ways is of coming to a consciousness that is overdue. >> let's also talk, mika, about the financial incentives of the gun trade. >> well -- >> they're out there as well. this is not just about politics, it's not just about liberty, about a lot of money, too. >> the big thing that's happening here and you see that in the people who are speaking out and those who are not, there's a shift in attitudes, as the "new york times" puts in their headline today, i think will be lasting. i don't know how any -- there are several networks, not just ours, having trouble finding pro gun advocates to speak out because there's really nothing to say at this point.