successful libya. we have done nothing in a year, from october of 2011 to september the 15th, we did almost nothing to deal with the militia problem and help the libyans. >> what's the lesson, though, from libya now, considering the time your people involved in the revolution, not sure who you're working with. what's the lesson for syria -- >> here's the lesson -- >> i'm talking about syria, because a lot of people call forearming syria and the same thing happening in libya. you might help al qaeda. >> the wrong people are being armed. >> that's right. >> provide capacity to those who have the will to fight terrorism in their own backyard. arm the right people. get this over with, and have a follow-on international force to go in behind. >> so there should be turkeys fighting syria. help turkey help -- and we come in after? >> help the syrians in coordination to get arms into the hands of the rebels we believe will be agents of change. get the arms to the right people. and when assad follows, realize it's going to be a miss.