ago. i mean, they're starting to put down the fact of this late recovery. >> that could be a huge challenge. the idea that the vp debate, chris, or the debate at hofstra earlier this week were going to somehow turn this around for obama, it hasn't happened yet. >> it's slowed it down. i think you're seeing evidence that it sort of -- romney didn't lose any ground. he didn't peel anything, but i think the president stopped the erosion. >> let me ask you about this question of what you think. i know you don't want to take political positions or partisan positions, but i will. in fact, this is an analysis. i think the american people will not vote for nothing. they're not going to vote for obama's track record, not vote for romney's business know-how. they're looking for a plan they can say when i voted it meant something. i have heard people say i like this guy romney because he had that five-point plan, he had something i could see. business guy, i'm going to do these things. obama has done a lot more at the national level than romney ever thought of doing but he doesn't turn it into a future map. he said i have done the automobile, i did the stimulus,