2008. watching this as a republican, steve, i will just say in the room here us all watching together we were all much more riveted than we were last week during the presidential debate. what's your overall reaction with how the guys kid tonigdid ? >> it's a fiery debate. i can't remember a debate that's been as fiery as this one at this level. i think republicans will watch this. they will say paul ryan won. >> really? >> they'll be happy with this performance. i think democrats who watched this will be fired up about joe biden's performance. i think he did what he needed to do tonight which is to calm some of the panic in the democratic base by having a fiery performance. but i also think this -- his smiling, the laughing, the grinning, if you look at the recent history of debates, whether it's al gore sighing, president george herbert walker bush looking at his watch, so many of these debates have come to be dominated by these personality quirks that manifested themselves over the course of the debate as opposed to the substance of the answers