hampshire and iowa, still is pretty remarkable. >> it's out there, but i want to pull back. you have to cover the polls. the polls are part of the news. but the average person who's going to watch the debate tonight is not sitting there, oh, how are they going to vote in wisconsin or ohio? >> it's no fun to talk about polls, bob. >> i'm sorry. >> you're going into sam stein territory now. don't talk policy. we're falling asleep. >> what's the average person thinking about? they're saying, i'm going to watch these debates. and i remember in the 1990s once asking john mccain, is it possible? and he actually asked the question, is it possible to run for president and be true to yourself? he ran for president, and a lot of people would say he wasn't true to himself. i asked him a couple of months ago, what's the answer to that question? and he said, "i don't know." the average person watching these debates is looking for