up for who the vice presidential nominee was going to be. there is nothing less exciting in the world than -- but they used it. i mean, once i gave up that number, boy, they could now text you for the next four years, right? it was just a moment. but it allowed a building of -- >> the oprah winfrey rally for the first time that happened. >> i knew we were in trouble because i went to it. >> did you? >> you need to see what the -- i kept wondering, why are they caging the numbers had they come through the doors. i was going to criticize the democrat chairman. you've got all these customers coming and they said open up your phone and dial this number. i said we are in real trouble. >> the thing though is that there's campaign season and then you have four years of being real and governments and you have to do what you say you're going to do. those four years are very important in between. >> the records matter. >> you can't just show up when you're ready.

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