ago the next day the obama campaign had a response ad on china up. they think they can diffuse the issue with this like this, keep it to enough of a draw, even in governor romney has a bit of an advantage it's not dispositive in determining the outcome of the election. i've heard governor romney talk about china quite a bit since he started his campaign and yet to hear him talk about it in a way that seems like it will break through with a lot of voters to say yeah, if mitt romney is president, things with china will be more to our liking than they've been for the last four years. unless he can do that i think the back and forth plays to the president's at least again, roughly -- rough parody, particularly because as you say he has the benefits of incumbency. >> and in fact, the way he speaks about china is criticized by jon huntsman overtly and quietly by other leading republican foreign policy former officials who think that mitt romney is all wrong about china. so he's not getting through to the voters and not getting through to the so-called republican elites as well.