energy independence. that's not specific. that's first of all ridiculous undertaking but also, there's a lot of subheadings to what that looks like. you will get something of this sort of architecture, the broad outlines of a plan for the future but i don't think there will be much other than some stuff around taxes. >> he's been doing it in the blueprint since the state of the union. he'll keep doing that. >> unfortunately, we have to leave it there. thanks to mark halperin, who managed to get at least -- he brought bobcat goldthwait into this conversation and we ran with it. thank you as always. thanks again to karen and chris. don't forget to catch chris tomorrow morning and then again sunday on his show, "up with chris hayes." he will also do coverage next week at the dnc. i'll see you back here monday at noon eastern, 9:00 a.m. pacific when i am joined by former governor ed rendell, former assistant secretary of state, p.j. crowley, lynn sweet and susan glasser. until then, find us at