robert traynem? >> absolutely not. sarah palin, four-point loss, they lost. joe liberman, two or three points, they also lost as well. >> nine points for liberman. >> right. but take a look at the folks that won, biden last time around, a one-point bounce. at the end of the day it doesn't really matter. most people don't choose their next president based on the running mate. they choose based on different visions, republican and democratic vision. at the end of the day, ryan or vice president biden, whomever it may berk they should do no harm, they shouldn't be a drag on the ticket. i don't think paul ryan will be a drag. at the end of the day, medicare will be an issue for republicans. democrats do have a trust factor here that's much bigger than republicans. have a policy debate, and that's what ryan pick does.