and it was strange that after such a successful career at penn state, he clearly wanted to coach elsewhere and never was able to get hired. were there rumors or rumblings at that time? what was the the justification in their minds? >> i think you can't help think now knowing what we know, there were rumors and people talk. we know from this report that back in '98, there was an allegation. that the college football community, especially the coaching community is a close knit, closed community. everybody talks. if tl a whiff of this, it's going to be out there. people knew there was something off with this guy. whether it was to that level, i don't know. whether somebody like uva would know that. >> that means that this goes beyond penn state. what you're implying is that other coaches around the country knew something and didn't raise this. >> obviously, if you're going to