we turn to both religion and science to understand where we're going and neither has all the answers. when we have both, then we have a chance to get at most of the answers. but if we have one or the other, we're going to have massive gaps in our understanding of the whole universe. >> quick question to you on steve's point about creationism. i understand that you can believe in god and the science of evolution. can you specifically believe in creationism and darwin? >> no. >> quick answer. quick question, quick -- >> i think we have to -- >> very di fentive conclusionive note, which i preesh buate. carter, thank you so much and for your kind words about the show, too. up next, s.e.'s ode to america just in time for the fourth of july. [ male announcer ] if paula ebert had her way, she would help her child. go! goooo! [ male announcer ] with everything.