i'm not on your side on immigration issues. >> to answer the question you asked, first, bill crystal, there's a bright line in the republican party between those people. he was sitting on that interview set on fox with karl rove. another guy who recognized that republicans had to be right with hispani hispanics. those guy say this is not -- this is we're recognized demographic reality and those who don't. as for latinos, if you go around focus groups in the southwest, there are older hispanics who resent illegal immigrants as much some white americans do. >> what is the reaction to people that don't like them though? >> it's one thing to have a conservative view on the law. what do you do -- >> i think it's hard to get someone to vote for you if you think you believe -- hates you as an ethnic group.