>> well, this was the second accuser slash victim we've heard from and i'll tell you, you've known me for a long time, chris. i'm pretty hardened when it comes to covering trial stuff, but you know what, i have never seen testimony like this. i'm a mother. i know you're a father. this kid was, is 18 years old. he was 11 when he first met san -- sandusky and the abuse began when he was about 12. alleged abuse, let's say. i got teary, i have to tell you. i got very teary hearing this boy. i call him a boy because he's so small. he's so frail. he walked in with stooped shoulders and his chin down and you just wanted to hug the kid. he broke down completely twice. at one point, the jail matron had to come over and give him a kleenex and frankly, the whole courtroom just sat there waiting for him to collect himself.