bred to be number two. all number ones in ability and accomplishment. that's what you want. somebody who can be number one and will accept the understudy role for a period of time and help you lead a successful administration. i think they would do that very well. i think tim pawlenty. >> i was just going to mention him. he has the experience of running, being in the big time. some would say he got out too soon, because he ran out of money after the ames straw poll. you mentioned bobby jindal and john thune. what about john thune? >> i think john thune is terrific. i think john is terrific. he, of course, represents a smaller state. but he's got great legislative experience, a strong leader. on the list as well. i, myself, think any would be very, very powerful. very good.