he supports it in the same way that mario comeau is pro-life. i'm pro-life personally, but -- come on. it's the same thing. >> he understands -- there's a view in the legal community that trying to federalize gay marriage right now is not something that would be legally successful in congress and ultimate looly in the courts. your point is, if you're going to stand up for a civil right, stand up, and i agree with that. >> i'm sorry this is too much like first year law school. but if you believe that gay marriage is a civil right protected by the u.s. constitution, and i do not, but if you believe as barack obama and progressives who support barack obama and gay barack obama supporters who give him campaign money, believe that gay marriage is specifically protected by the united states constitution, then you cannot assign it to governors in north carolina and alabama and north dakota.