the people at that building over there. people don't look at people and say gay-credible, gay not credible. there is an evolution. rick grenell would have been a phenomenal spokesperson. it's a glass closet. tell what the glass closet is, everybody knows it, but there is no sign saying we hire gays. >> i lived it. >> you live it. >> no i lived that like for 30 years ago, i know a lot of people who have come out. there's a lot of dialogue because of rick grenell and his courage that have come out as a result of him. romney, i was on the same program with romney right before the primary there. he mentioned lincoln once, none