the fresh material because it is a more attractive target we'd like to get it out of the country as soon as possible. >> it is more attractive because it is the thing that you could more easily weaponize. >> right. you can easily pick it up on your own because it is not radioactive and easy to turn in to a nuclear weapon. the spent fuel, there's not a certified package that allows the transport of spent fuel by plane. >> certified package. >> we do not have a pack thaj has gone through the necessary testing to the give everybody enough confidence that you can put the material on a plane and if there were an incident that the package would not be breached. >> in case of a plane crash. i got ya. so it can't -- >> it can't go by plane. >> okay. there isn't anything in it that is strong and safe enough to guarantee that it won't crack open in a plane crash. >> not in a plane crash. >> not in the world or not in the united states. >> not in the united states.