some people don't think that's an if. some think it's a when. i think if she wants, she still is such a prominent democrat, such a well-known figure. she's done a good job as secretary of state. she is hillary clinton and so, in four years, she has the potential there for -- >> who would -- let's go to doug and let's do some talking here. if she decides to go out there and take a year. she'd probably want to take a year after the excruciating worldwide job she's had. take a break. don't get committed to anything that would tie her down and begin to run a year or two before the presidential election. who would be her oppon snent who would try to challenge her for the nomination? andrew cuomo. who would have a chance to beat her given how much she's established politically and professionally. >> you could have somebody like evan bayh trying to come in playing the midwest, particularly if the democrats lose in the midwest in 2012. but she -- when she leaves if she leaves in, i'd say, probably march of 2013, if obama got r e