so your father was the con man. your mother was the mark? >> my mom was a mark and also a facilitator. she allowed him to be what he was. >> jim rowe is a pro. are you impressed by athletes? he will buy a super bowl ring with someone else's money and then -- >> somebody walked up and said, hey, that's a great ring. did you play? well, hell, yes, i played. you know, it feeds itself. >> or perhaps he is applying for a job at your ski job. what did you tell them about your skiing experience? >> that i was a great skier, that i was on the army's all-ski team. >> you ever skied before? >> not a day in my life. >> yet you will remember he became a top ski salesman, started a ski business and allegedly conned not one but two microsoft millionaires. >> some of your victims said this guy is so smart, he's such a good salesman, he could be a multi-millionaire legitimately. but, no, he needed to do it backwards.
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