behind the scenes at the small dollar donations because there's this kind of mythos of people reaching into their pock tote scrape together the $5 donation. that's not the way small dollar donations work. there's a giant telemarketing machinery behind this. >> are you about to ruin -- >> in order to get those donations -- >> that was the reality in 2008 with president obama where people were reaching into their wallets and pulling out five and ten dollar bills. >> i saw a kid myself take five dollars and do it for america. >> the obama campaign has to invest millions of dollars into this massive organization that then calls all these people around the country, et cetera, et cetera and solicits the donations. >> the other thing you have to note is that even if you take small dollar donations which is defined by the fec at the $200 limit, above which you have to disclose the name of who's doing it, below which you can do anonymously if you're giving