the news in here, it's been moved up a year, we won't be in combat operations, but we will still be in afghanistan at least through the end of 2014. >> we'll still be there, 2014, and probably if we can arrange it with the afghan government, we might be there longer in an advising and training role. indeed i would argue we should. this not so much moves it up, it gets specific. the administration never set a date when combat operations were going to end. what they decided quite honestly years more of combat were not going to have results that would be worth the cost in american lives and american money. and i think what this is a realization of that. >> combat ends a year and a half from now and then we move into sort of fighting side by side with afghan security forces through 2014? >> through training, more advising, exactly, side by side, and a slight scaling down of the afghan security forces. a realization that an enormously large afghan army is probably not realistic to sustain. >> heilemann? >> we on this show have been arguing for a long time kind of