least potentially appealing to the president and newt gingrich solves his problems in one fell swoop. what is it, the independent number between romney and gingrich, i think it moves like 25 points. >> i mean against romney the president is down by two points. against gingrich with independents he's winning by 22. the margin with seniors also gets better under gingrich. i mean, look, i think clearly the polls are -- all the polls would suggest that we have a better chance of winning against newt gingrich than mitt romney. i do think, chuck, the first graphic we showed about who would you not vote for, you know, it's still pretty high for the president, too. >> right. >> and i think even though it's higher for newt gingrich and even though the president has a double-digit lead, just the overall structure of the electorate, which we've talked about since this poll came out, is going to really say it's going to be a close election. >> let's talk about the volatility of the electorate. going to put up some numbers here about the tea party, about occupy wall street which, of