have held up so well even in the face of some of these issues, it shows that the american public is looking for somebody outside the system that is real, genuine, and maybe they don't need to be perfectly polished and experienced and have the perfect press conference. but i do think having said that, that the dealing of an issue whether it's true or not does give one insight into whether he's presidential timber or not. >> there's a way there's a leadership test in many ways. some people think the way bill clinton handled his scandals in '91 and '92 and said, well, this guy can handle a crisis. is that fair? >> i think that's absolutely fair. i don't know whether to be scared or not. i totally agree with everything. >> be afraid. >> no, but i absolutely agree. and i think that cain is not showing that he can be a leader. i'm greatly disturbed by all of the accusations that are happening. i've seen both sides of an issue as a woman, and i find it very