country's overwhelming support for the sentiments of those wall street occupiers. let me finish tonight with an easy way to understand the evils on wall street. we start with rick perry gone birther. david corn's an msnbc political analyst and mother jones washington bureau chief. and he's also joined by wayne slater. thank you, gentleman, for joining us. here's a portion of that parade interview, "parade" magazine interview that ran this sunday, it's catching a lot of attention. in a q&a in the article, lynn sheer asks the governor some questions. governor, do you believe that president barack obama was born in the united states? perry responded, i have no reason to think otherwise. that's not a definitive, yes, i believe he -- rick perry, well, i don't have a definitive answer, because he's never seen my birth certificate. question, but you've seen his. perry, i don't know, have i? question, you don't believe what's been released?